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Thread: And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post


    Tibs. You and 127 other people trust MSNBC. Please don't present it as a credible source moving forward. Thanks.

    You lost. Get over it.

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    The most important part of your article Tibs is in the first paragraph.

    What we don’t publicly have yet is the smoking gun that proves there was a formal agreement to commit the criminal conspiracy and how much Trump knew about it.
    Like everything you post this one throws everything but the kitchen sink even tangentially related to Russia or Russians and attempts to make it sound criminal or sinister. The fact is a lot of people had perfectly legal, appropriate dealings with Russians but then lied about them because everyone and their mother is screaming "RUSSIA! RUSSIAN COLLUSION! RUSSIANS!" and no one wants to be the guy who oops, actually talked to some Russians.

    It was not illegal for candidate Trump to be looking into building a hotel in Russia. Of course when candidate Trump became President Trump, that was no longer appropriate and it was no longer pursued. Yeah, Cohen may have lied about the date that happened, probably because he was afraid of how it would look, but he categorically denies any deal with Russia to influence the election. So far no evidence that he was involved in any such conspiracy.

    We're back to Russians bought condos and spent time in Trump's casinos...in the 80s. Yeah. Putin's been saving up that gem for just the right time. He knew one day Trump would run for president and he could then use his knowledge of Trump's money laundering scheme (which somehow despite being done blatantly out in the open went completely unnoticed for decades by our own IRS or CIA) as blackmail. Uh huh.

    14 people in the Trump campaign interacted with Russians. Not the Kremlin, not Russian spies, just Russians of varying professions GASP!

    Flynn's interactions with the Russian ambassador were perfectly legal and appropriate. Flynn's "lies" about it weren't even lies at all according to the original agents who interviewed him.

    I could go on but why waste my breath.

    What we haven't seen yet is anybody charged with, testifying about, lying about, or producing evidence about anyone conspiring with Russians to influence the election. Nothing. Nada. And nothing that implicates Donald Trump himself in anything criminal having anything remotely to do with Russia or the election.

    I don't doubt (because I just don't think Trump is all that smart, which is another reason I find the idea that he's at the root of these complicated, sinister Russian conspiracy theories difficult to swallow) that Mueller is going to catch Trump telling a "lie" about the date he did this or that or whether or not he spoke to some Russian person. Like I said before, you'll be jumping around here like they just found Hoffa but as of now, I'll go back to the key point in your article:

    What we don’t publicly have yet is the smoking gun that proves there was a formal agreement to commit the criminal conspiracy and how much Trump knew about it.
    Last edited by oneforthebus; 01-09-2019 at 12:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneforthebus View Post
    We're back to Russians bought condos and spent time in Trump's casinos...in the 80s.
    No we're not, not by any measure. Look, you've asked for specific information time and time again. It's been out there for months on end, in the public domain, you weren't interested in looking it up or reading it. With today's two new revelations, I decided to post a condensed, summary article, do with it what you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    No we're not, not by any measure. Look, you've asked for specific information time and time again. It's been out there for months on end, in the public domain, you weren't interested in looking it up or reading it. With today's two new revelations, I decided to post a condensed, summary article, do with it what you will.
    I look up and read plenty, there is little in your article that I haven't seen before. I'm just able to discern actual facts from insinuations and unproven assertions that are twisted and stated as facts, something you apparently are not able to do. Maybe it's because you mostly read things from loony leftwing sources. It's warped your mind a bit. Maybe if I'm in the mood sometime I'll go line by line and point them out to you, but probably not. It's a waste of time because you just ignore anything that doesn't conform to your pre-drawn conclusions.

    What's most amusing is the parts of that article that are pure fantasy, stated as facts, with no evidence whatsoever to back them up. And you post that here as some sort of serious piece of journalism. It's too bad you don't seem to know the difference so we can have intelligent discussions about the actual facts.

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    The Veselnitskaya indictment, if you're interested in any actual facts about it, has zero to do with Trump or the election or anyone in the Trump campaign.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e8aec26c5e6a

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    Will be interesting, to say the least. That is if he doesn't get wacked between now and then.

    Michael Cohen Agrees to Testify to Congress About Work for Trump
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/u...-congress.html

    “In furtherance of my commitment to cooperate and provide the American people with answers, I have accepted the invitation by Chairman Elijah Cummings to appear publicly on February 7,” Mr. Cohen said in a statement. “I look forward to having the privilege of being afforded a platform with which to give a full and credible account of the events which have transpired.”
    And on an important note:

    It was not immediately clear whether prosecutors in New York or for Mr. Mueller would ask Mr. Cohen to keep from discussing topics still under investigation. Nor was it clear when Mr. Cummings formally issued an invitation to testify.

    On Thursday, Mr. Cummings said he was consulting Mr. Mueller’s office to ensure that he did not hinder its efforts.

    “I want to make clear that we have no interest in inappropriately interfering with any ongoing criminal investigations,” he said in a statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    Will be interesting, to say the least. That is if he doesn't get wacked between now and then.

    Michael Cohen Agrees to Testify to Congress About Work for Trump
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/u...-congress.html



    And on an important note:
    You lost. Get over it.

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    I filled a prescription for a Russian National a few months ago. Should I be worried?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaBurgh View Post
    I filled a prescription for a Russian National a few months ago. Should I be worried?
    Do not return any calls from a guy named Mueller. If you do, you may end up being charged with a crime.
    You lost. Get over it.

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    Trump had Russian Dressing on a salad in 1987. Mueller has proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    Will be interesting, to say the least. That is if he doesn't get wacked between now and then.
    He's not testifying against Hildebeast, so he's safe.
    "It is not the multitude of ale houses that occasions a disposition to drunkenness among the common people; but that disposition arising from other causes necessarily gives employment to a multitude of ale houses." -- Adam Smith, 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    Will be interesting, to say the least. That is if he doesn't get wacked between now and then.

    Michael Cohen Agrees to Testify to Congress About Work for Trump
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/u...-congress.html



    And on an important note:
    Congress wants to put Cohen up there so he can talk about Stormy Daniels and embarrass Trump some more. No way Mueller will let him testify publicly if he has other stuff on Trump that we don’t know about.

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    Damn. Turns out the FBI opened a new and separate counterintelligence investigation into Trump in 2017. Not connected to the original investigation that was brought on by the Steele dossier. FYI both of these investigations were rolled into the Mueller Special Counsel investigation. But yeah, it's all about Russians renting condos from Trump in the eighties.



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    This may be really bad for the NYT. It's obviously BS and the Times may have stepped on their dick one too many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport View Post
    It's obviously BS
    Uhm, you may regret typing this at some point in the near future.

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    It's what I've been saying from the very beginning, and I've steadfastly held my ground ever since. The Trump-Russia conspiracy investigation was completely legitimate and warranted. On top of that, Trump has bent over backwards to add to the laundry list of what Mueller and the FBI had to investigate, including obstruction of justice. There sure will be a lot of disappointed people. Disappointed in themselves, for looking the other way and not seeing the writing on the wall, which has been there from the start.


    Last edited by Tibs; 01-12-2019 at 07:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    Uhm, you may regret typing this at some point in the near future.
    We'll see.

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    So now we will get multiple Twitter reposts from random never-Trumpers commenting on the same dubious NYT piece.

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