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    The military will have no authority to arrest or detain.

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    There is an invasion, but these people are just pawns.

    The truth is a very few, very powerful people have found a loophole in our immigration process (the "asylum" system) and are now exploiting that loophole by telling millions of Mexicans/Central Americans how to "act" once they reach the border to circumvent the immigration process.

    The immigration activists have duped millions of liberals in this country into donating to a cause. That cause is simple: open borders along the southern U.S. border. They have hired thousands of lawyers that tie the hands of ICE and Homeland Security with frivolous lawsuits and activist judges. The use the money to provide care for these people WHILE they travel to the U.S. They use the money to have people meet them at the border to tell them EXACTLY what to say.

    This has nothing to do with improving Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador. They could care less. They want more Hispanics in the U.S. to cause disturbance and change the voting block.

    The asylum system was meant for good and these people are using it and exploiting it. It's a disgrace. And they are going to ruin the whole system if they continue to do it.

    I don't know what the end result is. The President's hands are very tied on this. Activist judges along the border, the laws (as written and interpreted) don't allow much when 1000's of people all claim "asylum" at the same time.

    Maybe, Trump can call a national emergency and direct thousands of judges to the southern border and try to process all asylum requests right away (and catch up on the backlog), but whether that holds up to appeals and lawyers whose sole purpose is to cause problems, I don't know.

    It's a clusterfuck right now. I feel bad for southern states and I feel bad for this country. It's not right and everyone knows it (even the left). This is not how immigration should work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deljzc View Post
    There is an invasion, but these people are just pawns.
    I would not rule out Trump using the national guard to detain this mass group, but you are right, they are pawns. Their presence is re-energizing the case for boarder security. AKA The Wall
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    I would not rule out Trump using the national guard to detain this mass group, but you are right, they are pawns. Their presence is re-energizing the case for boarder security. AKA The Wall
    In the case of mass migration like this, the wall wouldn't do anything. This group (and others like them) are not being told to try and cross the border at night or illegally.

    They are being told to present themselves, in mass, at a border station and claim asylum.

    Even if their claim for asylum is frivolous, it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE does it, the asylum system becomes overrun and our laws state we have to house/detain them (at the expense of taxpayers) or place them in society until their asylum case is heard by a judge. In addition, the laws (as interpreted by a judge) state if children are involved they CAN'T be detained or separated from their parents for more than like 14 days.

    It's a mess because there is no way the government can follow the laws as written/interpreted right now. By law, they can't catch-and-release. By law, they can't detain until their hearing. By law they can't turn them away at the border if they claim asylum. What else is left? Ignore it, which is what all the previous administrations have done on this issue.

    Now, because of Trump, "ignore" isn't an option and we're all seeing the fruition of years of bad laws, bad execution and runaway lawyer/legal confusion.

    I'm all for a wall, but that does and would not help in this situation.

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    They need to plan ahead...get Mexico to agree to set up an amnesty temporary shelter village on their side of the border until everyone can be processed... most of the people involved do not realize they are being used as a political tool. They deserve the same consideration that a typical assylum seeker gets, but the shear size of it will make that hard.... im sure some legitimate cases are included in there too... but it should be explained that a large group like this makes it unfeasible to deal with and thus takes more time... this will discourage such future caravans from forming.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by xjx View Post
    The military will have no authority to arrest or detain.
    The military does have authority to guard our borders and stop invading forces....

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    Quote Originally Posted by deljzc View Post
    In the case of mass migration like this, the wall wouldn't do anything. This group (and others like them) are not being told to try and cross the border at night or illegally.

    They are being told to present themselves, in mass, at a border station and claim asylum.

    Even if their claim for asylum is frivolous, it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE does it, the asylum system becomes overrun and our laws state we have to house/detain them (at the expense of taxpayers) or place them in society until their asylum case is heard by a judge. In addition, the laws (as interpreted by a judge) state if children are involved they CAN'T be detained or separated from their parents for more than like 14 days.

    It's a mess because there is no way the government can follow the laws as written/interpreted right now. By law, they can't catch-and-release. By law, they can't detain until their hearing. By law they can't turn them away at the border if they claim asylum. What else is left? Ignore it, which is what all the previous administrations have done on this issue.

    Now, because of Trump, "ignore" isn't an option and we're all seeing the fruition of years of bad laws, bad execution and runaway lawyer/legal confusion.

    I'm all for a wall, but that does and would not help in this situation.
    I have to disagree. Most people can not scale a 18 foot wall. Build it in the places most accessible to cross the boarder. Much of the boarder is mountains, miles of desert and rivers.

    A wall to me is not just a wall. Build a rail system for rapid deployment say 500 feet behind the wall, camera towers, and drone patrol. Use satellite imagery to detect tunnels. Then you'll have much better boarder security.

    Trump can issue executive orders. As to their limits I'm not sure.

    Another option is Trump can tell Mexico to stop it, or deal with tariffs.
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    A SECOND migrant caravan heads for the US: 1,000 Hondurans have crossed into Guatemala

    A second migrant caravan is heading for the American border having formed in the wake of an initial group, which has already crossed Guatemala and entered Mexico.

    The second caravan is made up of 1,000 people and crossed the border from Honduras into Guatemala on Sunday, before arriving in the town of Chiquimula on Monday night.

    They are following in the path of a much-larger group, believed to number around 7,000, which was sheltering in the town of Huixtla, in southern Mexcio, overnight on Monday.





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    Why are they waving the flag of the country that is so shitty they are willing to walk 2,000 miles to get away from it?!?
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    Of course I'm despicable...

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    Look at all of those women and children. Not !

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    Some of them are rapists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCSteeler4life View Post
    Look at all of those women and children. Not !
    I don’t see one, not one!!!

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    All this will do is get the people to tell Congress (if they want to get reelected) to build President Trump's wall even faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndySteel View Post
    Some of them are rapists.

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    Cant count on the government to save us, time for the citizen militia to take up arms and defend this country. Remember the minutemen of a few years ago? We need that. This is exactly why we have the second amendment, so we can defend our own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeltime View Post
    Why are they waving the flag of the country that is so shitty they are willing to walk 2,000 miles to get away from it?!?
    Because they have no intentions of assimilating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelin View Post
    Because they have no intentions of assimilating.
    Exactly right. They want the U.S. to become the same shit hole country they just left. Just like when liberals leave CA. They want Nevada and Arizona to become California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Exactly right. They want the U.S. to become the same shit hole country they just left. Just like when liberals leave CA. They want Nevada and Arizona to become California.
    Its sickening. Why don't they just stay where they are? Same with Colorado, Florida and I'm sure other conservative states.

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    Fine, then invade fucking Honduras and Guatemala, set up our military government, and say your ass is ours now since you can’t play nice.
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    Cut off ALL aid to those countries. Increase taxes on remittences to 50%. And any city that is a sanctuary city should be stripped of any federal money.

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