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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    BTW should the Pac 12 get a spot in the champions games? What about UCF?
    Yes, with only 4 spots, undefeated UCF should get an invite before any one loss team. No, I do not think they are one of the four best teams, but it shouldnít matter what anyone thinks.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerInLebanon View Post
    No I say the BIG TEN would look just like the SEC if they played in the south.
    Seriously? So tell me how the weather prevents the Big Ten from competing against themselves because of "weather". Why isn't the Pac-10 the greatest conference since they have great weather in half of the conference all the time. Why is USC, UCLA and Cal not perennial college dynasties?

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    Yes, with only 4 spots, undefeated UCF should get an invite before any one loss team. No, I do not think they are one of the four best teams, but it shouldn’t matter what anyone thinks.
    So you'd leave out who? You have 5 power conference winners, ND, and UCF. Who do you put in and why.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    So you'd leave out who? You have 5 power conference winners, ND, and UCF. Who do you put in and why.
    Whichever team lost out on OBJECTIVE tie-breaker criteria. For example: conference champ, best record, strength of schedule, margin of victory, etc.

    If the Steelers were to tank their last 4 games but still win the weak AFC North at 9-6-1, I wouldn’t be in favor of some committee stepping in and determining that a wildcard from a stronger division get in the playoffs instead of them.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Seriously you're going to look at NON-conference schedule to judge total schedule? Did you look at OSU?

    Oregon State- 2-10
    TCU- 6-6
    Tulane- 6-6

    Wow what a great non-conference schedule.... How'd they ever make it through that?
    But that doesn't also take into account CONFERENCE schedules where the Big 10 is vastly inferior to the SEC. OSU beat a 1 win Rutgers, 5-7 Indiana, 4-8 Nebraska, 5-7 Maryland (who almost beat them), and get to play a 4 loss Northwestern for a CONFERENCE Championship game. Fuck me what an easy schedule.. both in conference and out of conference.

    Bama has to play LSU, Texas A&M, MS. St, and Auburn every year plus a real championship game against a 1 loss Georgia.
    LSU, Texas A&M, MS State and Auburn were not that good this year. But pointing that out is somehow CRAZY. How dare anybody point out that every suingle SEC team isn't super awesome every year.

    Aside from that, nothing you wrote has anything to do with my point. The point being that Bama is a bit of an unknown because they haven't been challenged.

    Ohio State played a much tougher schedule. Purdue is good on offense and presents a challenge. It exposed weaknesses on Ohio State's defense. Weaknesses they could address.

    Bama has not been challenged at all. The SEC has some shitty offenses. Bama's defense hasn't been tested at all.

    That's the only point i was makng. Ohio State was able to blow out Michigan because Ohio State played some highly competitive games that prepared them for a fight. Bama hasn't.

    As Tomlin says, Iron makes Iron sharp. Bama's been cutting wet noodles.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Seriously? So tell me how the weather prevents the Big Ten from competing against themselves because of "weather". Why isn't the Pac-10 the greatest conference since they have great weather in half of the conference all the time. Why is USC, UCLA and Cal not perennial college dynasties?
    It's not the weather. It's a higher commitment to academics and le$$ motivated recruiting.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    Yes, with only 4 spots, undefeated UCF should get an invite before any one loss team. No, I do not think they are one of the four best teams, but it shouldn’t matter what anyone thinks.
    I also feel UCF should be in the playoff. They are not one of the 4 best teams but if they are denied again, then you are essentially saying they are ineligible to play for the championship. They should sue the NCAA for fraud. They have set up a system where only half their teams are actually eligible to compete for the prize.

    It's like selling tickets for a raffle and half of the tickets are fake but you still collected their money.

    I hear people say that if you want to be taken seriously then you have to play a better schedule. That's bullshit. Why? Because it is simply not logistically possible for all 117(?) FBS teams to play a schedule deemed tough enough that they can get invited to the playoff.

    The playoff should be 8 teams. The minimum should be 6. That would be the 5 conference champs plus a wildcard. with the top 2 seeds getting a bye. The wildcard must go to a non-power 5 team if ranked in the top 15, otherwise it can go to anybody.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    Whichever team lost out on OBJECTIVE tie-breaker criteria. For example: conference champ, best record, strength of schedule, margin of victory, etc.

    If the Steelers were to tank their last 4 games but still win the weak AFC North at 9-6-1, I wouldn’t be in favor of some committee stepping in and determining that a wildcard from a stronger division get in the playoffs instead of them.
    You can't compare a professional football sport with 100+ college teams. Also I was asking you who you'd put in there. There are no object tie breaker criteria for any sport other than wins and losses. In college you have too many teams to do that. SOS is subjective because people are figuring out who is better than whom.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by tapeANaspirin2it View Post
    LSU, Texas A&M, MS State and Auburn were not that good this year. But pointing that out is somehow CRAZY. How dare anybody point out that every suingle SEC team isn't super awesome every year.

    Aside from that, nothing you wrote has anything to do with my point. The point being that Bama is a bit of an unknown because they haven't been challenged.

    Ohio State played a much tougher schedule. Purdue is good on offense and presents a challenge. It exposed weaknesses on Ohio State's defense. Weaknesses they could address.

    Bama has not been challenged at all. The SEC has some shitty offenses. Bama's defense hasn't been tested at all.

    That's the only point i was makng. Ohio State was able to blow out Michigan because Ohio State played some highly competitive games that prepared them for a fight. Bama hasn't.

    As Tomlin says, Iron makes Iron sharp. Bama's been cutting wet noodles.
    You're bias is just off the charts. Please show me the SOS of OSU compared to Bama. Just because OSU is having trouble beating horrible teams like Maryland that doesn't mean their SOS is good. It just means OSU is struggling.

    Quote Originally Posted by tapeANaspirin2it View Post
    It's not the weather. It's a higher commitment to academics and le$$ motivated recruiting.
    Bullshit and bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerInLebanon View Post
    No I say the BIG TEN would look just like the SEC if they played in the south.
    it is not even December yet..........

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You can't compare a professional football sport with 100+ college teams. Also I was asking you who you'd put in there. There are no object tie breaker criteria for any sport other than wins and losses. In college you have too many teams to do that. SOS is subjective because people are figuring out who is better than whom.
    The 100+ teams is exactly why a four team playoff field is absurd. There are objective tie-breakers other than wins and losses, anything based on a number is objective. SOS is objective when you base it on opponents cumulative winning percentage.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Sure they should. Why should an average team in a bad conference get in over a better team in a better conference? You don't want the best team's playing for the NC. You want conference champs playing against each other even if one conference champ isn't that good. Why should the SEC be punished for being the best conference?
    My thoughts exactly.... if Georgia loses 28-24 to Alabama, does that make them less deserving than Ohio St. beating Northwestern 42-10 or Clemson beating Pitt 35-0? Not hardly. Pitt is barely a .500 team, but has a chance...albeit a slim one... to be conference champs. If they somehow pull it off, does that make them one of the top 4 teams in the country, deserving a shot at the national championship?
    Last edited by RollRed; 11-26-2018 at 03:09 PM.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by RollRed View Post
    My thoughts exactly.... if Georgia loses 28-24 to Alabama, does that make them less deserving than Ohio St. beating Northwestern 42-10 or Clemson beating Pitt 35-0? Not hardly. Pitt is barely a .500 team, but has a chance...albeit a slim one... to be conference champs. If they somehow pull it off, does that make them one of the top 4 teams in the country, deserving a shot at the national championship?
    Two losses makes them less deserving than undefeated UCF, Iím certain of that. If Pitt upsets Clemson, I would argue that makes UCF deserving as they blew Pitt out.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    Two losses makes them less deserving than undefeated UCF, I’m certain of that. If Pitt upsets Clemson, I would argue that makes UCF deserving as they blew Pitt out.
    Yea, the committee isn't putting a two loss team in the big game. What is UCF's SOS? Have they played anybody this year?

  15. #75
    I also feel UCF should be in the playoff.
    ayep, the big games start this weekend, I hope they have some warm clime venues


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