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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    I was listening to KDKA this afternoon and a caller said “how do you think hurricane victims in Florida feel when they can’t afford to rebuild but the government can spend billions on a wall”. My question would be how do they feel knowing how much it costs to process, clothe, feed, etc these trespassers?
    Jesus, do people have no common sense?
    government spending on a wall has jack and shit to do with hurricane response efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaBurgh View Post
    I'm open to bleeding heart stories on an individual basis, and that's what those many consulates between Guatemala and the Arizona boarder are for.

    A story from the opposite perspective, 4 years ago a friend and neighbor of mine was riding his motorcycle to work as a physician at Phoenix Children's hospital. He never made it to work. Someone ran a light and hit him, killing him instantly. And yes, no license, no insurance, and by an "undocumented immigrant" that had been deported 3 times before. He left behind a loving wife and 3 beautiful children. Would a wall have prevented this, who knows, but I do know it may have, and for that reason, if nothing else I say build it.

    And those of you here that oppose this, you're doing so primarily for political reasons and you know it, but will never admit it. At all costs, don't give Trump an inch.

    I live on the boarder, and needlessly lost a friend. To those of you living thousands of miles away, and opposed to increased boarder security, I respectfully say fuck you.
    We've been lectured that if it saves one life it is worth any cost.... So the wall is now morally justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaBurgh View Post
    I'm open to bleeding heart stories on an individual basis, and that's what those many consulates between Guatemala and the Arizona boarder are for.

    A story from the opposite perspective, 4 years ago a friend and neighbor of mine was riding his motorcycle to work as a physician at Phoenix Children's hospital. He never made it to work. Someone ran a light and hit him, killing him instantly. And yes, no license, no insurance, and by an "undocumented immigrant" that had been deported 3 times before. He left behind a loving wife and 3 beautiful children. Would a wall have prevented this, who knows, but I do know it may have, and for that reason, if nothing else I say build it.

    And those of you here that oppose this, you're doing so primarily for political reasons and you know it, but will never admit it. At all costs, don't give Trump an inch.

    I live on the boarder, and needlessly lost a friend. To those of you living thousands of miles away, and opposed to increased boarder security, I respectfully say fuck you.
    Sad story Zona, sorry to hear that. I live very close to the border too and it's a mess. It truly is a humanitarian crisis but are the suits going to give up all those votes & that cash flow? Let's be honest, that's what it comes down to, anybody with an ounce of honesty knows this.

    And I've heard enough about the visa overstays and tunnels, and every other excuse they're throwing at the wall (no pun intended). You build that wall, then you're more singularly focused on the other shit i.e. tunnels -- bottom line IMO.
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    Meeting today. Trump asked Pelosi if he opened the govt, would she give him 5he money in 30 days. She said no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ark steel View Post
    Meeting today. Trump asked Pelosi if he opened the govt, would she give him 5he money in 30 days. She said no.

    Then he got up and left. When there is no give on either side, there will be no deal made.

    Just think, it's only January 10th. There is no limit to the stuff they can disagree on and not get done. Gonna be such a fun two years, I can hardly wait to see what doesn't get done next.
    Last edited by Sarge; 01-10-2019 at 12:34 AM.

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    I am not 100% sold on the wall, but i do not think it will hurt anything at least. The is so much money wasted the 5.7 billion is a drop in the bucket. Plus i would think it will create some jobs. If I was a Democrat and really wanted border security and humanitarian efforts i would let trump have his little wall party as long as the other stuff was included in the package. With the dems saying they will not give 1 cent to the wall is stupid rhetoric. Now they backed themselves into a corner. If they give even a little toward the wall they look weak and Trump wins. If they stick to not giving anything then they will be seen as not willing to negotiate. I still feel trump has more to lose though. He ran on "the wall" if it doesn't get built it will be a major failure. Also he shut the govt down so if people start losing money he may start losing voters.

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    From what I have read, Trump is willing to concede some things, but wall funding has to be included in any deal. Like I said before, this doesn't have to be either-or. Both sides can come out looking like winners and save some face. Just gotta be willing to talk and come up with a deal. Yeah, don't see that happening.

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    Looks like this story's already been written, way back in 1958. Strange coincidence?



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    Looks like this story's already been written, way back in 1958. Strange coincidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post

    That is funny.
    Lefties are entertaining, if nothing else.

    You lost. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Sounds like someone who has been financially responsible and has saved appropriately.

    This. So last night the local news ran a piece meant to garner crocodile tears about a federal prison guard out here whose last pay check was 10 days ago. They showed him sitting with bills in front of him, his wife and daughter by his side. The wife works as a teachers aid, and understandably doesn't contribute a lot to the household.


    But here's the kicker I found interesting, he stated between the mortgage and car payments, he has over $3,500 in payments!

    Um, no sympathy from me on your poor financial decisions on the size of your house and what you choose to drive. I realize there are a lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck, but if you choose to not pay yourself first, that's on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaBurgh View Post
    This. So last night the local news ran a piece meant to garner crocodile tears about a federal prison guard out here whose last pay check was 10 days ago. They showed him sitting with bills in front of him, his wife and daughter by his side. The wife works as a teachers aid, and understandably doesn't contribute a lot to the household.


    But here's the kicker I found interesting, he stated between the mortgage and car payments, he has over $3,500 in payments!

    Um, no sympathy from me on your poor financial decisions on the size of your house and what you choose to drive. I realize there are a lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck, but if you choose to not pay yourself first, that's on you.
    I’ve been in banking for 30 years. Most people who find themselves in financial trouble of any kind have contributed partially or completely the their problems. This goes for people on all income levels.

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    That story is a bunch of BS. The first federal paycheck to be missed is tomorrow. Nobody is reporting that almost every Federal offices associated Credit Unions are offering zero interest loans during the shutdown and that every employee is going to be back paid for every single hour of the shutdown....PAID VACATION!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson View Post
    That story is a bunch of BS. The first federal paycheck to be missed is tomorrow. Nobody is reporting that almost every Federal offices associated Credit Unions are offering zero interest loans during the shutdown and that every employee is going to be back paid for every single hour of the shutdown....PAID VACATION!!!!!!


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    That doesn’t meet the media’s agenda, so not worth reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    I’ve been in banking for 30 years. Most people who find themselves in financial trouble of any kind have contributed partially or completely the their problems. This goes for people on all income levels.
    After getting out of the military and finding a stable job my wife and I applied for pre approval of a home loan. We figured out our budget and had our "number" in terms of max price. The bank come back with a number that was 30% over our max. Some People just accept that shit and quickly figure out all too quickly that they're in over their head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    That is funny. Lefties are entertaining, if nothing else.
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    So now there is no crisis at the border - Trump manufactured it. Just a month ago there was a massive humanitarian crisis at the border and Trump caused it. I guess he fixed it and doesn't know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaBurgh View Post
    This. So last night the local news ran a piece meant to garner crocodile tears about a federal prison guard out here whose last pay check was 10 days ago. They showed him sitting with bills in front of him, his wife and daughter by his side. The wife works as a teachers aid, and understandably doesn't contribute a lot to the household.


    But here's the kicker I found interesting, he stated between the mortgage and car payments, he has over $3,500 in payments!

    Um, no sympathy from me on your poor financial decisions on the size of your house and what you choose to drive. I realize there are a lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck, but if you choose to not pay yourself first, that's on you.
    That's like the woman I saw last week. Her and her husband both work for the government and their biggest bills are the mortgage and child care. Hello if you're at home you might want to take care of the kids yourself instead of hanging out in a coffee shop working on your photo album. Just saying
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