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    Fuck all that noise, Bernie is gonna run away with the nomination and the Dems will have a real communist running for prez!


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    Translation: We are F*@#!ed.

    Chaos deepens among Democrats after Bloomberg's misfire

    The Democratic presidential race is in fresh turmoil after former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg turned in a conspicuously poor performance in his first debate Wednesday evening.

    Bloomberg took a hammering in Las Vegas at the hands of his opponents, particularly Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

    The negative impact is reverberating among centrists in the Democratic Party.

    The party's moderate vote is splintered among several candidates while Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a democratic socialist, advances toward the nomination.

    Bloomberg's misfire means that dynamic won't change anytime soon.

    The centrists contend Sanders is too risky a candidate to run against President Trump in November - an assertion that is, of course, vigorously disputed by his supporters.

    In a TV interview earlier this month, James Carville, the former aide to President Clinton, compared Sanders with Jeremy Corbyn, the left-wing British Labour Party leader.

    Carville said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe": "The only thing between the United States and the abyss is the Democratic Party. That's it. If we go the way of the British Labour Party, if we nominate Jeremy Corbyn, it's going to be the end of days."

    Corbyn's party suffered a catastrophic defeat at the hands of Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservative Party in December.

    The problem from the centrists' point of view is that Sanders is the dominant figure on the left, while Bloomberg, former Vice President Joe Biden, former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) fight over centrist votes.

    Warren is something of a wild card, as she is not as far left as Sanders but not as centrist as the other four.

    In an ABC News-Washington Post national poll this week, Sanders, with 32 percent support, had exactly twice the backing of his closest challenger, Biden, at 16 percent. Bloomberg had 14 percent, Warren 12 percent, Buttigieg 8 percent and Klobuchar 7 percent.

    Bloomberg's candidacy has been built around vast advertising outlays - he is estimated to have spent around $350 million since beginning his White House bid in late November.

    As he rose in the polls, some moderates were persuaded that his resources could make him the dominant standard-bearer for their side against the Sanders faction.

    That seems a highly dubious proposition in the wake of his poor debate performance. And some in the Democratic Party, not aligned with any candidate, wonder what happens now.

    "There is no question that Bloomberg has done enormous damage to Biden. There has been cannibalization in the non-Bernie lane," said Simon Rosenberg, president and founder of the New Democrat Network. "Our primary is more complicated than two lanes, but in the non-Bernie lane, there is a pile-up."

    Among the anti-Sanders factions, there is widespread fear that the Vermont Independent could soon jump out to an insurmountable delegate lead.

    Sanders finished in a de facto dead-heat with Buttigieg in the chaotic Iowa caucuses and won the second contest, the New Hampshire primary. He is the strong favorite to win Saturday's Nevada caucuses as well.

    Even if Sanders does not win the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29 - and he might - he will still go into Super Tuesday, on Mar. 3, in a preeminent position.

    On that day, the liberal bastion of California is by far the biggest prize. The Golden State is fertile ground for Sanders, who held an 11-point lead there in the RealClearPolitics polling average as of Thursday evening.

    Of course, that is cause for joy for Sanders supporters, who echo the senator's own arguments that he can inspire enthusiasm among people who do not normally vote and thus run up big margins of victory against Trump.

    In his first sentence at the debate Wednesday night, Sanders asserted, "In order to beat Donald Trump, we're going to need the largest voter turnout in the history of the United States."

    The jury is out on whether Sanders can actually do that. Getting habitual nonvoters to turn out is legendarily difficult and the evidence so far is mixed.

    Even Democratic strategists who are unaffiliated with any campaign have some concern about whether Sanders really has the ingredients to make it to the White House.

    "Against Trump, he certainly has a chance. But do I think he is the most electable Democrat running? No," said Democratic strategist Robert Shrum, who has worked on several past presidential campaigns.

    "Do I think he is going to bring a lot of new voters out? There is no evidence of that from Iowa and New Hampshire."

    But that doesn't resolve the key question for Sanders's skeptics: Who can stop him?

    Bloomberg is badly wounded after his debate debacle.

    Biden is fading fast in polls after very poor results in Iowa (4th place) and New Hampshire (5th place).

    Buttigieg has shown no real capacity to win significant nonwhite support, which is a glaring deficiency in a Democratic primary.

    And Klobuchar, who outperformed expectations to finish third in New Hampshire, languishes in fifth place in most national polls.

    That leaves Warren, who began her campaign very much as a progressive champion but has more recently sought to present herself as a unifying force.

    Warren would need to clear a lot of hurdles to come back into real contention - she was third in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire and is not expected to win in either Nevada or South Carolina.

    The overall picture leaves some Democrats, like Rosenberg, worrying about the wounds inflicted in the primary - and casting around in vain for someone who might be able to bind them up.

    "The core of the dilemma that Democrats face right now is that neither Bloomberg nor Sanders will have an easy time uniting the party if they win the nomination," he said. "They're not Democrats."

    "It's going to take someone of enormous dexterity and skill to bring everybody together."

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    reading this, couldn't help but think of the Elfpig...and clown cars.

    You're 2020 Dems folks:

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    BOOM!



    Bloomberg openly plans to win the Demsí nomination by a brokered convention in Milwaukee


    The pieces are falling in place for a complete debacle for the Democrats, up to and including a convention walkout and riots if Michael Bloombergís plans to gain the nomination succeed. Under that scenario, an embittered radical wing of the party convinced that they have been betrayed in favor of a greedy plutocrat would not provide the necessary votes to defeat President Trumpís ambitions for a second term. More likely, they would back a third-party radical candidate, or stay home

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...milwaukee.html

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    Go Bernie or Bust!

    Rip that 3 term Republican mayor Wall Street racist, sexist billionaires guts out! How dare he try to buy your Dem nomination!I




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    Here's a fascinating tidbit about the (D)im primaries and how far that pathetic party has fallen into the toilet. In the 1968 primaries, Ronald Reagan received more votes as a (D)im write-in candidate (5,309) than did Ted Kennedy (4,052), though Teddy did lead in the number of girls killed (1-0) over Reagan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_D...tial_primaries
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    All the polling from trump Rallies in Colorado and Arizona looks like 17 to 18 percent dems... early estimates say he will also get 10 to 15 percent of the black vote this time regardless of the opposition

    I don’t see a path forward for the Dems... they need to consolidate a polar opposite base under a platform that Trump stole its best moderate selling points and took to the Republicans side... they are Fucked...

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    Trolling the fuck outta them, lol



    President Trumpís campaign rallies stalk Democrats





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    Quote Originally Posted by madinsomniac View Post
    Early estimates say he will also get 10 to 15 percent of the black vote this time regardless of the opposition.
    I think Trump gets 10% of the African-American vote if Biden is the (D)im candidate, and 15% with any of the other morons as the opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by madinsomniac View Post
    I don’t see a path forward for the Dems...
    The (D)ims have pretty clearly marked their path forward:

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    It was only Bloomberg's first debate, the others have been debating for a year. I don't think he has Trump's ability to learn and adapt though.

    Quote Originally Posted by madinsomniac View Post
    All the polling from trump Rallies in Colorado and Arizona looks like 17 to 18 percent dems... early estimates say he will also get 10 to 15 percent of the black vote this time regardless of the opposition

    I don’t see a path forward for the Dems... they need to consolidate a polar opposite base under a platform that Trump stole its best moderate selling points and took to the Republicans side... they are Fucked...
    I think it's possible after a massive defeat in November that the Dem Party splits in two, the Democrats and the more Lefty Socialist Democrats.

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    I think it's possible after a massive defeat in November that the Dem Party splits in two, the Democrats and the more Lefty Socialist Democrats.
    I have been hoping for this. I can see the bernie bots breaking off. I hope he gets the votes, but gets jobbed by the Dems again. That would cause a rift that they couldn't recover from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    It was only Bloomberg's first debate, the others have been debating for a year. I don't think he has Trump's ability to learn and adapt though.



    I think it's possible after a massive defeat in November that the Dem Party splits in two, the Democrats and the more Lefty Socialist Democrats.
    I think they’re all the same. It’s just that some of them don’t hide it as much as the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    It was only Bloomberg's first debate, the others have been debating for a year. I don't think he has Trump's ability to learn and adapt though.



    I think it's possible after a massive defeat in November that the Dem Party splits in two, the Democrats and the more Lefty Socialist Democrats.
    Canada has a three party system, with a couple bonus whiner parties (greens and french).
    From the conservative side in a lefty country, the united right and split left is the only way we get sensible govt (oxymoron) occasionally.
    Splitting the left is the key. You cannot let the conservatives split or you get Venezuela in a generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djfan View Post
    I have been hoping for this. I can see the bernie bots breaking off. I hope he gets the votes, but gets jobbed by the Dems again. That would cause a rift that they couldn't recover from.
    The base and foot soldiers in the Dem party are solidly in the Bernie/AOC Socialist camp. The party leadership and big money donors are not so far Left. They like to tax "other people" but Bernie is deadly serious about going after The Rich and they know it.

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    BLOOMBERG CAMPAIGN BLAMES SANDERS SUPPORTERS FOR KNOXVILLE VANDALUSM!


    hahahaha


    RUSSIA!

    RUSSIA!

    RUSSIA!


    BERNIE OR BUST!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    The base and foot soldiers in the Dem party are solidly in the Bernie/AOC Socialist camp. The party leadership and big money donors are not so far Left. They like to tax "other people" but Bernie is deadly serious about going after The Rich and they know it.
    Yeah... the blue collar people bailed years ago... the globalists are Dinos... they don’t care what party does what as long as tgey can pillage what they want from every country unabated... they just use all the Dem factions to get their way... as the Rino Republicans get shuffled outthe Dems are their last hope to keep their gravy train going... they will promise socialism but give bare bones programs in that area

    Bernie is a true believer and will tear this country apart trying to make that impossible fantasy work and they know it


    People like the Clintons just push socialism to get power to abuse in their favor

    Bernie is a different beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by madinsomniac View Post
    Yeah... the blue collar people bailed years ago... the globalists are Dinos... they donít care what party does what as long as tgey can pillage what they want from every country unabated... they just use all the Dem factions to get their way... as the Rino Republicans get shuffled outthe Dems are their last hope to keep their gravy train going... they will promise socialism but give bare bones programs in that area

    Bernie is a true believer and will tear this country apart trying to make that impossible fantasy work and they know it


    People like the Clintons just push socialism to get power to abuse in their favor

    Bernie is a different beast
    The fact a Marxist is even this CLOSE to gaining the White House makes me ashamed.

    We have created so many false equivalencies in our society. Muhammed = Jesus is one of the greatest. But Communism = Capitalism is just as dangerous. We have taught a generation of people that these are all the same, just "different" and not to be feared or criticized or even logically critiqued.

    To critique Muhammad is racist. To critique communism is "selfish".

    The left has decided that "equality" means that all religions are the same and all governments are the same. I mean, for all the left wants to sell, a Monarchy is just a good as a representative government. Who are we to judge? Who are we to claim one is better than the other? Shame! Shame!

    That is the message of the left. They would have yelled SHAME to our founding fathers. Who are they to have the right to say a representative government is BETTER than a "benevolent Monarchy"? They are equivalent forms of government to the left we now know. Nothing is "better" than the other because that would hurt someone's feelings.

    I'm saying this now until I die. Communism is terrible. Socialism is terrible. Democratic socialism is terrible. And I will fight until my last breath against those ideals and ideologies.
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    BERNIE SANDERS BLAMES DEMS FOR RUSSIA SUPPORTING HIM!


    bwahahahahaha


    "I got news for the Democratic establishment, they can't stop us"

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    RIGGED!



    Twitter is suspending 70 pro-Bloomberg accounts, citing ‘platform manipulation’


    Michael R. Bloomberg’s presidential campaign has been experimenting with novel tactics to cultivate an online following, or at least the appearance of one.

    But one of the strategies — deploying a large number of Twitter accounts to push out identical messages — has backfired. On Friday, Twitter began suspending 70 accounts posting pro-Bloomberg content in a pattern that violates company rules.

    As part of a far-reaching social media strategy, the Bloomberg campaign has hired hundreds of temporary employees to pump out campaign messages through Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/tec...mberg-accounts

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    BLOOMBERG IS A FUCKING CHEATER!

    DISQUALIFY HIM NOW!

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    What about Bloomberg supporters in Nevada today?

    If they don't know that he is cheating, then they would be suckers....

    Spike,
    Is caucus-sucker a defined term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confluence View Post

    If they don't know that he is cheating, then they would be suckers....

    Spike, Is caucus-sucker a defined term?
    Why isn't this HEADLINE BREAKING NEWS?

    Fake accounts, spamming by paid operatives, I guess when you're buying an election, anything goes



  20. #440
    ITS OVER!

    BERNIE BLOWING AWAY THE FIELD IN NV!


    Trump vs Bernie for the presidency!

    lololololol

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